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WindAndWaves

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making the best of situation with Flash intros

2005-01-26 01:11:00 PM
"Travis Newbury" <tn@swingers.com>wrote in message news:wbpJd.14919$1E.12791@fe06.lga...
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Bernhard Sturm wrote:
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...Yep, they are the same.
okay... I look definitely different at the internet.

I have no problems with others using the Internet differently than I do.
And they can do what ever they want on their pages. If I happen to
like the page (or can even read it) then I win. If not I go to a
different page that does work or looks like I want it to, and I still
win. The Internet is very large with a lot of different kinds of people
using it. The companies and schools that use my company's products,
which are Internet, intranet, and DC based learning tools (ironic eh?),
could care less is EVERYONE can see the applications. They only care
that their students can see them. So the product works for the masses,
not for everyone.

Then there are things like Webex. There are very specific requirements
you use it. But people buy the service because they see it as a value.

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Just from a content
point of view: content via internet is being pulled by you, you can
interact with the content in many ways (have your own RSS feeds, do HTML
chats, booking flights, read PDFs, check directory information (phone
numbers), look up the timetables of the trains, calculate car routing
information, check your mails...) It's you who asks for the content, and
the way this content is being delieverd to your home.
TV is way different: the content is pushed to you. The only choice you
have is: switch channels or turn the set off. IMHO this is not very
interactive :-)

I see them exactly the same. A web page is nothing more than commercial
or a tv show. Your mouse the "clicker" You are doing nothing more on
most sites than choosing channels off channel links. The content on
that channel (page) is being pushed at you. You simply have a better
selection tool than a simple tv remote.

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but I can see that in the future TV will melt together with some
internet applications.

That future has already started. Companies like mine are on the leading
edge of melding the two. And that's the kind of web site I like.


Well spoken - I could not agree more. I guess the best thing is rather than policing the internet and trying to control it (e.g.
you must stick with these specs), let people do what they want. This is good because:
- it stops oppression
- it fosters innovation
- it gives freedom
- it keeps our job interesting
- etc..., etc....
Internet Success stories also come in many different forms and not only pages in HTML strict ended up doing well. Does anyone know
of any sites that did particularly well, commercially?
- Nicolaas
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WindAndWaves

Registered User

2005-01-26 01:11:00 PM

Re:making the best of situation with Flash intros

"Travis Newbury" <tn@swingers.com>wrote in message news:wbpJd.14919$1E.12791@fe06.lga...
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Bernhard Sturm wrote:
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...Yep, they are the same.
okay... I look definitely different at the internet.

I have no problems with others using the Internet differently than I do.
And they can do what ever they want on their pages. If I happen to
like the page (or can even read it) then I win. If not I go to a
different page that does work or looks like I want it to, and I still
win. The Internet is very large with a lot of different kinds of people
using it. The companies and schools that use my company's products,
which are Internet, intranet, and DC based learning tools (ironic eh?),
could care less is EVERYONE can see the applications. They only care
that their students can see them. So the product works for the masses,
not for everyone.

Then there are things like Webex. There are very specific requirements
you use it. But people buy the service because they see it as a value.

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Just from a content
point of view: content via internet is being pulled by you, you can
interact with the content in many ways (have your own RSS feeds, do HTML
chats, booking flights, read PDFs, check directory information (phone
numbers), look up the timetables of the trains, calculate car routing
information, check your mails...) It's you who asks for the content, and
the way this content is being delieverd to your home.
TV is way different: the content is pushed to you. The only choice you
have is: switch channels or turn the set off. IMHO this is not very
interactive :-)

I see them exactly the same. A web page is nothing more than commercial
or a tv show. Your mouse the "clicker" You are doing nothing more on
most sites than choosing channels off channel links. The content on
that channel (page) is being pushed at you. You simply have a better
selection tool than a simple tv remote.

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but I can see that in the future TV will melt together with some
internet applications.

That future has already started. Companies like mine are on the leading
edge of melding the two. And that's the kind of web site I like.


Well spoken - I could not agree more. I guess the best thing is rather than policing the internet and trying to control it (e.g.
you must stick with these specs), let people do what they want. This is good because:
- it stops oppression
- it fosters innovation
- it gives freedom
- it keeps our job interesting
- etc..., etc....
Internet Success stories also come in many different forms and not only pages in HTML strict ended up doing well. Does anyone know
of any sites that did particularly well, commercially?
- Nicolaas
-
Travis Newbury

Registered User

2005-01-26 06:27:00 PM

Re:making the best of situation with Flash intros

WindAndWaves wrote:
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Well spoken - I could not agree more. I guess the best thing is rather than policing the internet and trying to control it (e.g.
you must stick with these specs), let people do what they want.
Oh no, we need a set of rules for everyone to follow. The w3c
validation is a good thing and should be the guide for everyone's website.
The bad thing is when we tell someone they are wrong because their site
does not meet the usability standards I might see as important.
Someone might think an all flash web site is just plain wrong. But
others don't. Both sides of that argument have a right to see and do
what they want on the web. Sadly there are those that say we must all
be forced to be viewed by everyone. I think this is the attitude that
stymies innovation. And I am not talking about the straw man's argument
that validation stymies innovation. I am talking about being told you
can draw the picture, you just can't use paint.
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Dan

Registered User

2005-01-27 01:13:00 AM

Re:making the best of situation with Flash intros

Travis Newbury wrote:
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However, I disagree with the web is not like TV. Maybe the web YOU
like is not like TV, but the web I like is VERY much like TV. Kind
of
that "different strokes" thing.
Oh, you can watch "Diff'rent Strokes" on the Web? What'cha talkin'
about, Willis?
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Dan
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Joel Shepherd

Registered User

2005-01-27 01:32:00 AM

Re:making the best of situation with Flash intros

Travis Newbury <tn@swingers.com>wrote:
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I am not talking about the straw man's argument
that validation stymies innovation. I am talking about being told you
can draw the picture, you just can't use paint.
Still a straw man.
You can draw a picture and you can use paint. The only request is that
you _also_ use text to relate the content of the picture.
Nothing terribly restrictive or unfair about that.
--
Joel.
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Bernhard Sturm

Registered User

2005-01-27 03:21:00 AM

Re:making the best of situation with Flash intros

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
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Opens up with "YvesSaintLaurent" on the left of a black background.
There is a (apparently) clickable language choice under that.

Clicking does nothing. Worthless site.

Win2K, both IE 6 and Firefox 1.0, Flash On, JavaScript On.
same here but with WinXP SP2. They must have spent 10'000 bucks, and all
they got was a lousy language menu that doesn't work. OMG.
But one clear message I got from YSL: they do not speak my language ;-)
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